E67 – Holistic Approach to Addiction Recovery with Dr. Richard Ruhling

Michi J: 00:00:19

Hello, everyone. And welcome to a prisoner's pardon podcast with me, your host, Michi J. Have you ever thought about food triggers? I mean, have you ever thought about how certain foods can lead you down the wrong path? We often think about that when we think about people, but have we actually made that connection? When we think about food,

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Well, a lot of us have gotten smart. About thinking about that when it comes to people. Now we do need to start thinking about this when it comes to food triggers as well.

Michi J: 00:00:59

Do we even know what they are? Do we stay away from them or just at least limit them? Well, it's time for us to get smart about what these foods are and how it can just lead to addictions and even diseases.

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Most importantly, we want to look at how these foods hinder recovery. Yes. Certain foods can hinder. Recovery.

Michi J: 00:01:27

On our show today, we're going to begin that process of just getting smart, and that's why I have today a special guest. His name is Dr. Richard Ruling. He is a medical doctor, a teacher, he's a speaker, he's been all over, he's also an author and he's written this particular book I want him to speak about is the book on health, happiness and destiny that come from wise choices and we need to get wise. So join me in welcoming Dr ruling. Hello.

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:01:58

Hi, thank you so much, Michi J. Good to be with you. God bless you and your ministry. And as I understand it, this is a prison ministry to some extent. And I just would like to keep that in mind in addressing your main audience. Because as I mentioned to you, I had a friend that went to prison for 14 years for a stupid mistake, but it shouldn't have been 14. And it's not happy. But on the other hand, I remember a little poem that two men looked out from prison bars, One saw mud, the other saw stars. You know, it's a perspective and, uh, we can't help, uh, necessarily the things that come, but our attitudes are important and, uh, attitude is like altitude, uh, higher attitudes is like a higher altitude to give a better view of life. And so, uh, we can be thankful. Uh, it is our circumstances aren't worse. And, uh, in prison, they do in this country, they get, food, clothing, medical care if needed. Uh, that's not really my prime best thing. I think medical care is potentially dangerous because of the drugs, even, having adverse side effects, et cetera. But, uh,, prisons, uh,, my friend got, some education while in there, learning, certain things that he is applying now as he's out. And, I think that, take advantage of all you can learn. And, and, on that topic, let me just suggest that, most prisons have available, I think, a Bible. Scripture is, a better education than almost anything else we could want, in my opinion. If looking back on it, I have 25 years of training and education, but I would spit on it compared to what I'm learning in the Bible. Most of that is not practical. I don't need, uh, calculus nearly finished me in college, as a matter of fact. But, uh, government, uh, history. Uh, English literature, uh, who needs that? You know, at this point, we need to understand how to live better. And, uh, uh, basically I see that in the Bible, God's guidelines. If we lie, cheat and steal, we're not happy people, you know, and basically, if we live well and are trying to do the best we know and share good stuff with others. we feel good in response because we're giving them value. If we cheat them, we're going to try to avoid them, uh, et cetera. Not good, it's better to, live well. And, uh, I, I see that God has given us the guidelines for that. And, uh, and there's a reward for that because just like people in prison hope to get out early on probation. This life is probation for us. If we live well, there's a hereafter for us that's better than anything. Uh, you know, if, if I could be in the White House, it would still be the wrong house, as far as I'm concerned, compared to what God wants for us.

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Yes. And that's what God wants for us. He wants the best for us. If you listened to our last episode. Rob talked about how he used. God to help him get out of the grip of addiction. And that's what God wants for us. He doesn't want us to be imprisoned by addiction. As you heard Dr. Ruhlin say just a few moments ago Prescribed drugs can have adverse effects. One of those affects is a person can become addicted to the drug. I've heard this many times from people in recovery that they became addicted to the drug that they were taken to help them get well. And this is why we need to do the holistic approach. And using a holistic approach is also looking at the spiritual aspects of things.

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:05:36

I would like to share an experience by way of an illustration because, uh, one of my favorite authors says one example is worth many precepts or teachings. Yeah. And, uh, it was my privilege while taking internal medicine to help in a five day plan to stop smoking. That was at the University of Arizona. And, uh, I, I was actually sharing with, uh, a couple others who did speaking as well, uh, each night for five nights and at the, on the fifth night, more than a hundred people raised their hand and said they had not smoked in the previous 24 hours. Um, I had a man in a little town of Southwest City, Missouri, tell me, uh, actually he was the mayor. He said, Doc, I've tried many times to quit, but this is the easiest I've ever found it. Now, I'm not saying it's easy. But what I want to share with your people right now can help them with addictions, plural, not just smoking. Uh, alcohol can be an addiction for some people. Caffeine can be an addiction. And, uh, in quitting smoking, the idea is to, uh, I think, uh, make a strong choice. Uh, now, if I said, for example, to a group of people, uh, I have a friend who has got lots of money, a billion, and he would give a million dollars to anybody who quit smoking, I think most people would find a way to get it done. It's, it's the strength of, of, of determination and conviction.

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I have to add here, That. It takes both. It takes. Determination and conviction alongside with having help. You can't do it by yourself.

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:07:11

And the truth is that. That, um, these addictions do more than a million dollars worth of damage to us because life is, is, is too precious to give away for, for money. Basically, you can't get it back with medical care, which costs money, etc. Once it's gone, uh, it's, it's, it's too bad. I want to share the ingredients to this five day program. To stop smoking it was founded by an MD doctor, Wayne McFarland who, understood how the body reacts. And, there are, about five simple things. Number one, a strong conviction. I choose not to smoke. Don't promise anybody because if you break you think, oh, I gave up. I quit. I can't do that. but if we just make a mistake and we have one more. get up and do it again, the idea is the next smoke is really the habit. Don't try to taper, just say this. I'm quitting, you know, and, and, and we recognize there's going to be a few days. Uh, really bad feelings, and, uh, you know, some people think they're going to climb the wall, but I'm going to help right now with things that will minimize that. Because the urge to smoke, or the urge for whatever the addiction is, is short lived, and uh, it, it, it, You know, it's kind of like needing to go to the bathroom. If you say, no, I can't go right now, uh, you forget about it for a while. You know, it comes back, of course, and sooner or later you do have to empty your bladder, but you don't have to, uh, uh, necessarily take the addiction thing. And so if you have a strategy of what to do to stall it off, when you get a craving, take some lung exercises, deep breaths, as deep as you can breathe. Blow all the air out until you can't blow any more air out. The moving of your diaphragm up and down to fill your lungs and empty them stimulates your adrenal glands on top of the kidneys. It squirts out a little juice that makes you feel better. This is why public speakers, when they get nervous, are told, before you get up, take some deep breaths. Okay. And, uh, and you feel better having had some deep breaths. And the same way with smoking or any addiction. And, uh, stalling it off. By having a strategy where you say, uh, I'm going to go for a, um, a drink of water because sometimes throat irritation is a signal for a smoke. It triggers the body. I can eat a smoke or, um, think of the water that you're going to drink as a, um, uh, an antibiotic. Uh, washing the nicotine out of the kidneys. Okay, so the quicker you get rid of all the nicotine, the better. In fact, diet can help you on that because if you load your system with heavy foods, uh, it's gonna take longer for the nicotine to get out and those heavy foods make your brain foggy. And you can, you know, uh, too much food in the stomach means no blood in the brain. And the, the, uh, uh, frontal lobes of the brain have the fine, delicate nerves where you make your choices and decisions. And those fine nerves have fine, narrow blood vessels. And if you, if you eat too much, you just don't have enough circulation to, for the willpower to say, hey, no. I knew a pathologist, a woman, who helped in stop smoking programs, and she said, uh, and understanding the body well, she said, for quitting smoking fast for the first day. Don't eat any food. A lot of times smokers after a meal that they want to smoke right away because their nicotine level is dropping into the bloodstream. So, don't eat the food, but just, uh, uh, or if you're going to eat, eat a fruit diet for the first day, have some fruit juices between meal. If, if you do anything between meals, have fruit juices. It's better not to do between meals. If you, if you can do that and, and just, uh, eat a, a light diet or, or nothing at all for the first day, it intensifies your willpower and you'll. You'll be off to a better start when you say no, uh, if you, if you try to taper, think of this as like cutting, uh, uh, the tail off of a dog, one inch at a time, each time you cut that tail, uh, the dog hurts and yelps and so on. But if you get it one good whack, you know, get rid of it all, uh, you don't have to hurt cut it again. It's painful for a few days, but then the dog heals.

Michi J: 00:11:14

Okay. Let me, let me, I'm sorry to interrupt. Sure. Okay. First off, we're saying to drink water, don't eat too much because that actually makes you tired and don't even have the strength to fight off anything.

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:11:29

Right.

Michi J: 00:11:29

so either fast or have a very light diet something like fruit juices and stuff like that. And that's going to help with that. These are the sort of strategies along with deep breathing. Is that right?

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:11:42

Yes. And the deep breathing can be aided by exercise. Going for a short walk out to the mailbox or to the corner or around the block, uh, encourages deep breathing and think of this as a, as a lifestyle change. Uh, everything you're choosing to do differently now is because you want to quit smoking and all those efforts are strengthening your willpower to quit. So, uh, Make the habit changes. Don't, after a smoke, uh, sit down in your favorite chair or after a meal, sit in your favorite chair where you want to smoke. Get out and go for a walk instead, or so on. Call a neighbor. Have a buddy that, uh, uh, someone that wants you to quit smoking, not somebody that smokes with you, okay? And, and just say, hey, I'm quitting. Uh, uh, give me a call, uh, once or twice a day maybe, or, uh, I'll give you a call when I really have a craving. Maybe you can talk me out of it, or whatever. So, uh, those are ideas, uh, for a strategy, uh, along with, uh, and if you exercise, you'll sleep better. Uh, so good sleep, uh, helps your nerves. And, uh, but the huge thing in this is, uh, a couple of things that you really gotta say no to, and that's caffeine and alcohol. Because caffeine gears your nerves up, and nicotine gears them down. And together, they keep you in balance. If you try to quit smoking and, and yeah, what numbs your nerves is not there, your nerves are going to go out the roof with caffeine. And, uh, so, uh, quitting both makes it easier to quit than if you say, Oh, I can't quit both at the same time. I'm just going to quit one. You're in trouble. Okay. But if you will quit both. And not use any alcohol that affects those fine, delicate nerves up in the brain for your willpower. You'll be, you'll be better able to cope with this. And, uh, and even eating food lightly, instead of, uh, uh, uh, pigging out for the week. Uh, you can, you can tolerate, uh, uh, an absence of food or a, a, a low level with, with fruit as a detox agent, you know, type of thing.

Michi J: 00:13:40

So some of the triggers you're saying is the bad triggers is caffeine. alcohol and too much food.

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:13:50

Yes, that's correct. Uh, rich food, uh, uh, you know, uh, pies, cakes, uh, um, chips. Yeah. I, I remember, uh, I think I met, uh, my medical school did a study with rats and gave them a choice of alcohol or water to drink. And if they were on a good diet, they chose water. But if they were on a poor diet, They chose alcohol in preference. If they added coffee and 11 spices. The alcohol consumption soared very high, and if they changed the diet back to a bland, simple diet, uh, the alcohol consumption dropped off again. So a lot of this, uh, we do it to ourselves by choices, and so, uh, we can make better choices, especially during the time of quitting, which is really about, uh, uh, this is the five day plan, because you can get, um, most people The great majority will have the alcohol or the tobacco or the caffeine out of the system in five days. And, uh, actually, if you look at your hand extended, um, the first day of the little finger is, is bad. Second day, a little higher, a little worse. Third day is the peak for most people. Fourth day, a little better. And then the thumb really dropped down. The fifth night they say, Hey, we're going to make it. And, uh, if you can do that, uh, following the steps and keep in mind that, uh, whatever it is that you're trying to break. Uh, that next, uh, smoke, that next drink, uh, uh, is the whole habit. Okay, don't think, oh, I just want it once and then I'll quit later. Uh, you won't quit later if you give into this one, probably, you know. You can get up and try again in the five day plan we encourage people. Uh, is a little child learning to walk. Uh, he falls down a lot of times, but he keeps getting up and he finally learns to walk. And we can do that.

Michi J: 00:15:43

I like how you, you brought in the practical because these are something that, um, people can understand and really get a hold of and do. So you talked about a buddy, having a buddy and a buddy is going to do exactly what again is to motivate

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:16:05

you. He's sympathetic. He wants to help. He can try to encourage you if you call him to say, Hey, uh, I'm having a rough day. Uh, in fact, uh, from a Christian perspective, it's good to have a Christian buddy who, who can pray with you even and say, God help us. Uh, we all have troubles, trials, difficulties, but, uh, we, we need your spirit and, uh, give us wisdom. We know that we're not going to die from this. Hang on there and, uh, you can make it, uh, hang tight.

Michi J: 00:16:32

So, and doctor, in your perspective, because I'm a tap into your spirit, um, your, because you wrote a lot of books, I've seen you're very well versed. So in your opinion, why would, we're going to talk about two characters. We're going to talk about the Lord himself as well as the enemy, which we normally know as the devil. So why would the, why would the enemy want a person to keep being addicted?

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:17:01

Well, because, uh, when we, when we, uh, first of all, they ultimately will ruin the body. Alcoholics die of cirrhosis or cancer of the esophagus, uh, liver, whatever, you know, different problems. Uh, hey, uh, I recently saw an article on caffeine and, and, uh, coffee, how it's good for you. This is crazy and stupid because they haven't seen it from my perspective as a physician. There are a dozen things that caffeine or coffee can do to you, uh, as soft drinks that, uh, are bad starting at the top. I'll just give you a quick review. Um, uh, people, uh, by the way, when they try to quit coffee or, uh, caffeine, many of them get a headache. And the drug companies put caffeine in Anacin or, uh, Excedrin. Uh, Excedrin is just Tylenol plus caffeine. Anacin is just aspirin plus caffeine. Uh, caffeine, and so when people have a withdrawal headache, They take anacin or excedrin and they feel, oh, that's a great medicine. Well, but they're still addicted then. If they would just quit it all and don't use anacin or excedrin, uh, they can take a plain aspirin or plain Tylenol, take a couple of them, or something else from your doctor if you wish, but generally I'm, I'm trying to help people avoid doctors because it's come back, come back, take this drug, take that, and sooner or later they're on a bunch of, a bag of pills and, and you don't know which pill is causing what. You know, with such symptoms, adverse drug reactions. Go ahead.

Michi J: 00:18:28

So the enemy wants you to do this because one, it's going to shorten your life, your life, and you won't be able to do productive things. Because this, this addiction, this bad habit is going to keep forcing his hand and interrupt.

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:18:48

It's, it's elusive. Uh, we think we can do whatever we want, but, uh, the more we do those things, the less we feel like doing, uh, the good things. Exactly. So, uh, I would just say, and speaking of the caffeine again, going from the top of the head down, headaches, trouble sleeping, Trouble with nerves. I've had, uh, I wish I had a 10 bill now for everybody that wanted something for their nerves, a tranquilizer, you know, because really I would ask them how much coffee do you think? Well, quite a bit, you know, so it's a problem that way. And, uh, uh, the, the, you've seen pictures with little kids with a, uh, uh, an ugly looking upper lip. They have hair, hair lip or cleft palate where they, even their words are sounding a little funny, uh, an appeal for surgery. Well, the problem with those, uh, little kids is that their mother was drinking too much caffeine in the first trimester of pregnancy. That has been linked to excessive caffeine intake, uh, during pregnancy, coffee, et cetera. And so, uh, rather than tell people, pay a thousand dollars for surgery, just, hey, quit, uh, quit the, uh, drinking of that during pregnancy and quit it all the time. It's not good for us. Uh, I took a year of cardiology and in my training, uh, the coronary care unit. Did not allow coffee or caffeine because in the context of a, of a heart attack. It could trigger a fatal arrhythmia. It lowers the threshold for ventricular fibrillation, which is a fatal arrhythmia, especially in the context of a heart attack. So

Michi J: 00:20:23

there we go with that word trigger. So it's triggering it. So that caffeine is triggering. We need some good triggers. So the good triggers would be water, exercise, good sleep. Have a nice sleep.

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:20:39

Actually, they're, they're, in a sense, they all help the body. I don't think of them as triggers, per se, like, uh, the negatives. Negatives trigger and shoot you dead. But, uh, I think of, uh, all of those as, if you're really feeling strong and well and calm, who needs a, a, a drink of this or a smoke of that? It's when we get to feeling bad that we think this is going to help us and it's only because of the withdrawal symptom if we didn't have withdrawal symptoms, we wouldn't need those things at all. I don't, I'm 83 and I'm in great health because I've done it right all my life. I have never smoked a single cigarette and I've never had a drink of alcohol.

Michi J: 00:21:16

Yeah, I was the reason why I say triggers is because, you know, it can be good or bad. And. It's going to lead to something else. That's what I'm saying. What's going to motivate you and you, uh, and it helps me to think of. Just flipping it and make looking and finding the good triggers because I need to be triggered in the right direction So I need to find that's why I'm thinking of it like that to help because it can not just one thing I'll just do this and then that's it. But I look at it. It's going to give me the momentum to Go down the right path versus going the wrong way what these other triggers the negative ones would do So yeah, that's why I was thinking about triggers. So we talked about water eating too much Going on to a lighter diet exercises fruit juices a good buddy, and also, um, just having a companion that's, you know, have Christian values that can pray for you and direct you toward God.

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:22:25

I would like to talk more about that, but one last natural remedy that may be helpful is a, if people had in their medicine cupboard, most of it is junk and things I wouldn't want, but Charcoal powder, uh, capsules, uh, tablets, whatever can be very helpful in the emergency room. When people overdose, they came in maybe even comatose. We would pump their stomach. And even put in charcoal afterwards, if they're still breathing and so on, uh, when they come in, they're likely to survive, uh, with treatment to pump their stomach and, and use charcoal because charcoal, one capsule has the surface area microscopically of a football field. It, uh, it will absorb toxins and poisons and, uh, I have used it for, uh, snake bites. Uh, you know, put a little poultice or compress over the ankle where the, where the bite was, et cetera. And it will draw, uh, uh, the poison and give some internally, uh, it, it absorbs toxin and poisons in the body. It's not a drug. Uh, it has no bad side effects, except maybe you might get a little bit constipated. Or something, but this is, uh, it's, it's not a chemical. Okay. It's just a, uh, um, and they can buy it cheaply. It's not like a drug where you have to pay a lot of money for it, but have it in the medicine cupboard for when you might think you have reacted badly. Sometimes people, uh, have gas. You know, and this is a good cure, a natural remedy for gas as well. And so our indigestion, uh, it's excellent. So I just want to throw that out. And now going to the, uh, comment about, uh, God. Um, a lot of people today, uh, think that God is out. God is dead. Where is he? Why? Why is he allowing so much trouble in the world? Well, think about it. God cannot be a universal bellboy to answer everybody's prayer right now. Okay. Uh, he does answer prayer. Sometimes it's, uh, it's, uh, Occasionally it might be right now and we've all maybe you can talk to people and you'll find some that had had an experience like, wow, that's amazing. That was a miracle. I remember. Hey, in fact, right now, I can tell you within the past week, Robert F. Kennedy Jr, who was running for president. Now he's with Trump. He's he tells his journey to God. He actually became an addict for 14 years to heroin. And he said, it's a terrible thing, you become a liar, etc. But, um, he told how he came across a book called Synchronicity by Carl Jung, a psychiatrist. And ordinarily, I don't like, Psychiatry, uh, as a, as a group of people, psychiatrists have been less able to stop smoking than other medical specialists because they, they reason it out and they end up the reasons with, well, I just have another smoke, I guess, you know, it's, it's a, it's an atheistic view, but this Carl, uh, young, uh, spelled J U N G, uh, saw if out of many years of experience, he could not prove God. But he said people with a faith in God did better with their problems and their addictions and so on. They, uh, they, uh, uh, relapsed better. They lived well longer, et cetera. And I can say, uh, it's to me, the word God is like starting a crossword puzzle with the right word in the beginning. If you have God in the beginning, then it fits in with the different words, hog and dog and things like that. Uh, it's, uh, you know, in life, uh, God, it'll go better with you. If you look to God for help, I, uh, he will, he doesn't always do what we want him to do, but he, uh, he can, uh, work it out so that things do work for good. And trusting his word in the Bible is, is an important key.

Michi J: 00:26:10

would you say the charcoal powder capsules, they're like a detox?

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:26:15

They help the detox process. They'll help you get the get the whatever it is If it's nicotine or caffeine or some poison in your system, they absorb it. So it goes out in your bowel movement, you know Uh, so it'll

Michi J: 00:26:28

make it faster detox. Yes,

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:26:30

exactly. That's right. Okay.

Michi J: 00:26:32

All right, so Where do where could we get those from?

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:26:37

Uh, any drugstore should have them, uh, sadly, uh, because they tend to turn drug, uh, tests negative, uh, sometimes, uh, uh, governments don't want, the charcoal to be available, they want to know your, if you're doing it, they want to find it in your blood, but it, it can help get it out of your system, and I would say look for it and keep it in your medicine cupboard and use it when you don't feel so well, and give it a, uh, uh, 24 hours, you'll feel, be feeling better.

Michi J: 00:27:03

So, um, about how much does it cost? Do you know, generally?

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:27:08

Uh, probably under 10.

Michi J: 00:27:10

Really that cheap?

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:27:12

It's not a drug. It's a natural product. Uh, it might be more. I don't know. I, I haven't, truthfully, haven't bought any recently. Uh, I'm living well and, and, uh, what I have is, is lasting well, but activated charcoal is, is activated means that it will be more active in this process than just plain charcoal.

Michi J: 00:27:30

Okay. Never thought about it. Cause anytime we talk about charcoal, I'm thinking about barbecues. Now we're going to be looking at it different. That's that makes a lot of sense. So I like how we're looking at it holistically along with, praying. And, my last episode talked about how addiction is. Wrestling. It's a wrestling match, but this has given us more to work with and not just telling people, Oh, just pray and do that

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:28:00

I just wanted to say, uh, our, our faith is strengthened by reading the scripture it's not as easy reading, but God knows the end from the beginning, in closing, uh, say that, uh, it was my privilege to attend a leadership training institute for Campus Crusade for Christ. And they had what they call the four spiritual laws. And, uh, the first one is that God loves us and has a wonderful plan for our life. Thank you. And the second law is that man is sinful, separated from God, and we really can't know his best for us in our fallen state. But the third law is that Christ came to bridge the gap between God and man. He showed us a better life. It's not impossible. It's not easy, of course, but we can do the right things. His guidelines are for our best good. And the fourth Uh, law is that we have to personally receive Christ. It's not just a matter of knowing the good. We have to say, God, I'm, I'm making this commitment to you as, as Robert F. Kennedy, uh, said in his journey toward God, he was reading Carl Young and Young said, fake it till you make it. In other words, do the things, go through the steps, say, I'm going to do this and, uh, God will be with you in that and you'll, uh, gain somehow one way or the other. Uh, in fact, uh, Kennedy said that he had this amazing experience shortly after one of his readings and so on. He was playing volleyball and, uh, uh, the ball was hit very high, came down on a post And bounced toward the fence and he, he, uh, as the ball hit the post, he doesn't know why he didn't figure it out. But he said that ball is going to get run over by a Mac truck. Why in the world would he say that it bounced on the fence? And went toward, uh, out of the volleyball court toward the, uh, down the hill toward the road. And would you believe, a Mack truck ran over that ball and popped it. And, uh, so, and he, Kennedy figured out that that was God. Okay, God knew his thoughts, uh, or gave him that thing. It was a, we all had coincidences where, hey, could that be God doing it? Give God the credit. And go with it. I mean, just live the best you can. And his word, the Bible, is the best way to really find it out. I would say for people that aren't Christians, start with the book of John, maybe. It's a relational type of thing. In John, first chapter, John the Baptist announced, uh, Christ as the lamb of God. He, the lamb died for our sins. Okay. He, in Isaiah 53, the Jews don't get it, but in their book of Isaiah 53, Christ was the lamb slain to reconcile us to God, to see that God loves us and he pays for our sins, et cetera. And we can forget them and live well with him, with his help and by his spirit. So I thank you for letting me, uh, share this opportunity.

Michi J: 00:30:48

Well, thank you for talking to us as a medical doctor and also letting us really get a chance to, hear how this holistic approach of first, you know, using water, not eating too much, having a light diet, fruit juices, Having exercise, sleep, all these basic things that we should be doing anyway, and we're seeing now if we don't do these things, how it can lead to addictions and ultimately to diseases. What in the last thing you want to say to the audience? Um, thank you so much, first of all, for coming.

Dr Richard Ruhling: 00:31:27

Well, you're welcome. And the point is that the book you mentioned, uh, health, happiness and destiny has a lot in it and they can get it online for cheap. Okay. It's a digital copy, but they, they could, if they can go to health, happiness and destiny. com health, happiness and destiny. com and can, um, for 2. 99, I believe it is, or if 95, they can get the book. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

Michi J: 00:31:51

Thank you so much. that's great to have it written down for everybody just to grab right quick. And like you said, that's very cheap and it's a lot cheaper than going to the doctor. I tell you that. So thank you so much. And audience. Thank you for listening. And may you have a week filled with blessings.